Mickey Isle: yes, in most cases, which explains it's failure to restore health. they have a short list of common excuses for this failure, such as, "it's hereditary, it's stress, everyone gets it, it's age." these factors do apply in some cases, but most of the time they are used they are not the real reason for the problem. more typically, however, they blame some intermediate effect which is not the cause, but perhaps more proximal to it, as the root cause.
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Jeannine Vassie: Mostly.Examples--cholesterol lowering drugs,pain pills,acid blockers,and they treat inflammation with antibiotics all the time.
Barrett Alosa: Not always. There are times it does and times it doesn't. The cure for polio alone proves that isn't always true. There are medicines that control diseases to a certain point and that is where people get that from. An example is acid reflux. People are on medication for life for it. I was diagnosed after 4 days of testing a! nd agony. I refused meds,took alfalfa capsules and water for 2 days,then never had it again. That was the year 2000. What happens is that people on both sides of the argument make claims they shouldn't which crosses the line. If someone makes a claim about them self like I did with alfalfa that's fine,but if I said,"Alfalfa cures acid reflux" that would be stepping over the line.Alt med skeptics will always have lack of clinical evidence on their side because only drug companies usually do large scale clinical studies. So they use this fact to debunk almost every possibility of benefits from alt meds. That is not only crossing the line,it is not logical either.Example: Einstein claimed that light bends around large objects that have gravitational pulls such as the Sun. Many scientists didn't believe him. I'm sure they said that is not true that light bends around large objects with gravitational pulls. Then there was a solar eclipse in which there was a star behind the sun ! that was able to be seen during the eclipse even though it was! behind the sun. This proved Einstein was right! So if there was a statement before that eclipse where one said,"Light does not bend around gravitational pulls from large objects." Would that be logical? No because it's overstepping the bounds of what is known and what is not known. This is actually what alt med skeptics do on YA. Saying there is not enough evidence is fine and logical,but when they make negative claims they can't prove,they are just as bad as one claiming a cure they can't prove.Edit: Rhianna Your last paragraph doesn't match some of your previous comments. You are saying now,"When these people have some evidence...," but you will never accept "some evidence." You will only accept large scale multiple clinical studies that are almost always only done by drug companies for drugs. So why do you say "some evidence?" I showed you "some evidence" and then you kept on changing your rules about what is "some evidence" until it meant large scale multiple clinical! studies.There is tons of evidence that you just choose to ignore and you use the excuse of lack of large scale clinical studies,which never happens,as evidence that alt meds don't work. The truth seams to be that no matter what is shown to you,you will ignore most evidence that backs up alt meds.Edit: Rhianna I showed you University Doctor's clinical trials which you totally discredited so your statements about what kinds of trials I showed are incorrect.Also show me results from large scale clinical trials about alt meds. Show me some if you say it's not true.Edit: Rhianna Here is a GEORGETOWN DOCTOR'S study on wild oregano's effects on drug-resistant bacteria :"(Washington, DC) Oil from the common herb oregano may be an effective treatment against dangerous, and sometimes drug-resistant bacteria, a Georgetown researcher has found. Two studies have shown that oregano oil and, in particular, carvacrol, one of oregano’s chemical components appear to reduce infection as ef! fectively as traditional antibiotics. These findings were presented at ! the American College of Nutrition’s annual meeting October 6 and 7 in Orlando, Fla.Harry G. Preuss, MD, MACN, CNS, professor of physiology and biophysics, and his research team, tested oregano oil on staphylococcus bacteria which is responsible for a variety of severe infections and is becoming increasingly resistant to many antibiotics. They combined oregano oil with the bacteria in a test tube, and compared oregano oil’s effects to those of standard antibiotics streptomycin, penicillin and vacnomycin. The oregano oil at relatively low doses was found to inhibit the growth of staphylococcus bacteria in the test tubes as effectively as the standard antibiotics did."http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cac...See now you will discredit it as NOTHING and you know it!Edit: Rhianna There is your chance right now. There is evidence from a Georgetown Doctor. Prove me wrong. Let's see your answer. I'm ready to apologize.Here it is again:http://webcache.googleuserconte! nt.com/search?q=cac...Also of course it doesn't mean it's correct or even proof. I'm just saying it is evidence. That's all.Rhianna if link doesn't work just google ~>"Oregano Oil May Protect Against Drug-Resistant Bacteria" and it should be first link.Edit: Dave why so many mean cut downs? Let's say you are right 100%. Why not teach your points? It would be much more effective. Cut downs just push people away. Hey I've cut you down too so I'm just as bad,but can't we be more civil. Do you think that all that anger helps anything at all? Again I'm no better because I've done it to,but can we try to be a little nicer? I'll start. I apologize for all the cut down towards you in the past. I don't even want an apology. It would just be nice to disagree and discuss it. I don't know what your response will be,but I have to go out for a bit. I hope you have a pleasant day.Edit: Rhianna First you say,"When these people have some evidence to prove at least one of their core philosop! hies as being plausible and true, then we'll have a look."You start wit! h "some evidence." My link shows "some evidence.' Then you say bring up claims and human physiology. "You need to bear this in mind.- No clinical claims can be drawn from this sort of study. Human physiology is complex....you cannot extrapolate data like that."This is my point and you did it again. You go from a challenge for alties to show "some evidence" and it turns into "clinical claims" and "human physiology." So all I'm saying is that you should ask for enough large scale multiple human clinical study to support a claim because you are not looking for "some evidence!""This study you have mentioned is certainly a basis for future research" is a very vague statement. So are you implying that a Georgetown University doctor's study showing wild oregano killed antibiotics staph infections in test tubes is not evidence? Saying it's "a basis for further study" does discredit it as you avoid saying it is "some evidence."The truth may be that you should have said is,"When thes! e people have "clinical human studies large enough and definitive enough to make clinical claims" to prove at least one of their core philosophies as being plausible and true, then we'll have a look."THIS IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT~"clinical human studies large enough and definitive enough to make clinical claims" IN THE BEGINNING WHY ARE YOU SAYING ONLY?~ "When these people have some evidence..." That Georgetown study IS EVIDENCE,but you will never admit it. That's my only claim! I'm not saying any clinical claims can be made or denying human reactions may not be as effective to wild oregano. I am only saying that IT IS EVIDENCE PERIOD! BTW I'm only using large caps for attention to points. I'm not angry or yelling at you ;)Have a cool day Rhianna! I do thank you for the interesting debate.Edit Dave BTW I mean all of this in a polite way.You said,"Alt med doesn't contain a bunch of Einstein's just waiting around for the rest of the world to realise how brilliant they are, it! consists predominantly of poorly-educated people making unsubstantiate! d claims and guesses based on supernatural mythology. Einstein made an (at the time) extraordinary claim, then proved it with extraordinary evidence." My Einstein point I feel that you missed. My point was that he didn't have clinical evidence that was enough to prove his theory. Also, I had a point about logic. When you or anyone may say that there is no evidence that alt meds work and use that as a basis for claims that they do not work,that is not logical. A logical statement would be that there is not enough evidence for proof. This is a severe cut down to not only me,but many people including many doctors that research and approve of some alt meds. ~> " it consists predominantly of poorly-educated people making unsubstantiated claims and guesses based on supernatural mythology. " When you wrote me an e-mail you implied I failed out of college probably. I dropped out because I ran out of money. As I said before I went toe to toe with a Northwestern University Professor! in front of 35 students. Now this isn't to be conceded,but it is to show my passion and that I'm not "poorly-educated."I've studied every disease and health issue I've come across since 1993. I'm not a doctor,but I care. My goal is to help people get ALL information about ALL therapies INCLUDING doctors treatments so they can decide and work WITH their doctors to be the healthiest they can be.Dave my goal is "health for all people" and I feel your main goal is "health for all people." We may disagree on how to get there,but exchanging ideas and informati...Show more
Florencia Manolakis: I need a remedy for a sore throat. Not a sore throat that is all scratchy but a really really bad sore throat that makes it hard to swallow. I am already taking prescribed antibiotics so something that's not medicine would help.
Roni Kurz: hot tea heals me a lot when i get strep throat, also chilled applesauce feels good on your throat too.
Mark Hovanes: I started using de! oderant from Whole Foods without aluminum. I haven't gone to the gym ye! t and I'm nervous.Does anyone have experience with all natural deoderant?http://www.shirleyandcompany.com
Brian Marquina: Your question and suggestions demonstrate that you don't understand how a mind and a body works. This lack of understanding makes you and the other skepps will never be able to incorporate the mechanism, unless you give up your immature model of the whole.So it's just up to how quickly you let go.
Jeannetta Gaffigan: Not at all.If you have a Staph infection, conventional medicine treats it by killing the bacteria, the source of the problem.For some diseases, there is no way to actually treat it. Many viral infections lack any sort of anti-viral. In these cases, conventional medicine would manage symptoms while alternative "medicine" sells false hope....Show more
Moira Woodrow: Liquid chlorophyll is an internal deodorant that deodorises your interior and reduces the odour of everything that comes out including perspiration.
Cody! Shimko: Some people find they work real well and others not it depends on your body's chemistry. If your clean, and go to the gym and work out, then shower before you leave or go straight home and shower you should have no problem anyway. Ask someone you trust to tell you if they notice any difference? Remember deodorants do not stop sweat, only antiperspirants do that.
Georgia Dees: My mom gets a horrible rash from "regular" deoderant. So she uses the salt rock and it works for about 3 hours. So shower right before you go to the gym, put on the deoderant, and hit the gym. Use a really strong body wash and it will come out of ur pores. And you're supposed to get sweaty at a gym so its really ok. Just wipe down the machines after your done, no one wants to sit in your sweat.
Adrian Paraz: honestly, with most common colds, you'll get better maybe a day or two faster if you take medicine than if you don't. Personally, when i have a sore throat, i drink lots of cha! momile tea with milk and honey. That seams to take the edge off for a w! hile. Gargling salt water can help sometimes, like if your tonsils are swollen, but it usually doesn't help me. If you have been having a runny nose, your sore throat is most likely caused by post nasal drip (snot running down the back of your nose and down your throat). What other symptoms have you been having? If you have been getting green or yellowish stuff coming out when you blow your nose or cough? if so, you still have a bacterial infection and need to go back to your doctor and try a different antibiotic. Seeing as how the first two didn't work, it might be viral instead, but sometimes, certain bacterias won't be killed off by a simple, large spectrum antibiotic. If you're still having a sore throat in a few days, or if you're getting more sick, you should really go back to see your doctor.
Vickie Sterbenz: I have been using Tom's of Maine natural deodorant with aloe and coriander it has a nice clean scent and I feel better knowing its natural. But being clea! n to start is the way to keep the bacteria away.Wipe your equipment b4 and after will also help you from catching any gym germs.
Trena Berum: Salt water gargle will help with the pain. You can also suck on mints -- the stronger the better. Warm tea, especially with honey should ease some of the pain, plus help keep you hydrated.
Morris Cuomo: The BEST all natural deoderant is baking soda. Believe it or not, it works really well. Give it a try, and don't knock it til you try it.
Bob Nakamoto: I have never heard of any deoderant with aluminum...
Lady Laflin: Lots of honey in water with lemon juice works well for me. Heating it works even better. If the lemon juice aggravates your throat, leave it out, but the honey by itself isn't going to taste good.
Buster Buchko: CM more commonly treats symptoms than the cause. LFOD gave a great example of acid blockers and I would add any other 'symptom management' as Rhianna said to that list. She gave the ! specific reason that so many people say CM treats symptoms! No, it's no! t the only aim of medicine, but as she admits, it is a big one. Acid blockers, cholesterol blockers, pain blockers for treatable conditions, antidepresants that don't work better than placebo and kill more people than they help, blood pressure or blood sugar pills that are prescribed long term instead of lifestyle changes that work better, and the list goes on for things that ONLY treat the symptoms and don't address the underlying concern or illness.AM may be a multi-billion dollar industry in SALES between all the practitioners and companies, but that doesn't mean its enough profit in any one of those to pay for multi-million dollar studies on each of the thousands of herbs that they would use. A bottle of vitamins costs up to around $10 and probably has only $5-7 of profit on it. Drug companies make anywhere from $30-100 or more on a standard bottle of drugs when you compare the name brand to the generic. That's how they can afford the multi-million dollar studies becaus! e of the ginormous profit that they have! Isn't that your own fallacy, Dave?Of course, we all know Angelhil is going to choose one of his skeptic buddies instead of choose an answer that is actually answering his question as to why people say that so it's practically pointless to answer this or try to argue. I'm predicting he'll choose Rhianna even though she contradicts herself and gives examples of why people say it instead of arguing it.Rhianna: No, I answered the question in the first line then I gave examples just like you did. I'm not suggesting someone use ONLY AM because of CM's shortfalls. That wasn't the question or what I was saying. Ideally, it would be nice if people used the better parts of both. Just because pharmaceutical companies have purchased some supplement companies or the makers doesn't mean they give extra funding to the supplement companies from the profits of their drugs. Would you want to financially support something that will take away from your! profit?Also, the supplements don't cure the illness, the body does. Su! pplements help to nourish the body so the body can fight what it needs to. Do you also avoid eating food because it doesn't fight disease?Is your calendar off? I started my account almost a year ago. July 3, 2009. In 2 days, it'll be a year ago. Not much attention to detail there, huh? And what other account are you talking about? This is my account. There's someone else who is a member of the same group I am, but this is my account.Ah, it's 'fail' because you say so? No other comment or response to my questions or comments? It sounds like your argument is 'fail' like the ever popular 'nuh uh!'...Show more
Hobert Dula: People have already given very good examples of how CM treats the cause of some illnesses. What I have yet to see is an example of altmed treating the cause. That's because it doesn't.
Dexter Gold: i have tons of scars on my back lefted from back acne..i need to know if bio oil really works before i buy it.
Elvin Weichbrodt: The very last th! ing that alternative medicine treats is the cause of any illness. Unless of course you think illness is caused by blocked chakras, 'bad energy' or any of the other manifold supernatural beliefs and delusions that run rampant through the Meadow of Insanity that is alt med.LFOD: There's no comparison. Alt med doesn't contain a bunch of Einstein's just waiting around for the rest of the world to realise how brilliant they are, it consists predominantly of poorly-educated people making unsubstantiated claims and guesses based on supernatural mythology. Einstein made an (at the time) extraordinary claim, then proved it with extraordinary evidence. With alt med being a multi-billion dollar a year business, the excuse of "we can't afford to prove it works" is starting to wear a bit thin.Alties still make extraordinary claims and all they present is anecdotal evidence.Edit: LFOD, you're stating an example, I'm stating that it's invalid and saying why it's invalid; it's really nothi! ng personal.Edit2: TB: "This is my account. There's someone else who is! a member of the same group I am, but this is my account." The same 'group' ? Oops! Well, well, well, there's a thing! An admittance of conspiratorial behaviour if ever I did see it!Your 'per bottle' profit calculations are charming if not a tad naive. Here's how it really shapes up: "The market potential for alternative medicines is high as is evident from the revenues generated in different parts of the world. In Western Europe the annual revenues for the period 2003-04 was to the tune of US$ 5 billion. The Chinese market registered annual sales US$ 14 billion in 2005. In Brazil revenue from use of herbal medicines touched US$ 160 million in 2007."So, several billion dollars and they STILL can't find a few thousand for a university study that would pay off MASSIVELY? (Even if only to give a the alties some pr material to cling to.)Nope, that excuse no longer washes. Like Rhianna said, another FAIL (for you and your dodgy 'group')....Show more
William Vickerman: Hel! lo,More and more people are looking for natural and holistic ways to heal scars from acne, chicken pox, injury or surgery. While some topical creams and medical procedures such as dermabrasion and laser resurfacing may lessen the appearance of scarring, they are often very costly and harmful to the skin.Natural treatments such as herbal remedies are less invasive and gentle to use on the skin. Herbs such as Galium aperine (Cleavers) and Trifolium pratense (red clover) have a wide range of therapeutic benefits that act as a cleansing tonic, blood purifier and lymphatic cleanser. Homeopathic ingredients such as Natrium muriaticum, Kalium muriaticum and Kalium sulphate help to maintain skin health and support the regenerative processes of the skin. http://www.healthherbsandnutrition.com/products/sk... is a natural remedy supposed to take care of your skin form inside out whereas http://www.healthherbsandnutrition.com/products/cl... is a topical natural cream for scars.Check th! em out if they are usefulGood Luck...Show more
Carli Watterson: M! ost deodorants do not contain aluminum antiperspirants do. I haven't used antiperspirants in years, not since they caused a sweat gland to become clogged and infected creating great personal pain.
Micah Schwarcz: I am sure that if you do not us deodorant you will not smell. Most people wash regularly each day and therefore bacterial attack of the sweat does not have time to take place. It is this that causes the pungent smell as the urea in the sweat breaks down to ammonia and gives us the pungent whiff. Fresh sweat is quite clean and odour free. Keep clean and you will be fine
Serita Hefferon: Surgically removing a tumor is pretty much the exact opposite of "only treating symptoms".
Morris Olexy: I use it for bodybuilding, it works great but it takes a lot of effort because your really have to rub it in there often.Also, It takes a while for it to be noticeable. Like a couple of months.
Virgil Loatman: No, this is a common myth used by the alties! , ad nauseam. Couple of problems with that statement. First, it's a lie. In many cases we do treat the underlying cause, but curing the underlying cause of disease is far from the only aim of medicine. We also aim to provide symptom management, relieve pain and prolong life as much as possible when a cure cannot be found. This of course doesn't mean that we don't keep looking for a cure or don't wish to find one. They act like our only aim is to treat symptoms. This is a big misconception, if a cure cannot be found, the only option we are left with is to treat the symptoms and improve QOL.Their, "Conventional medicine only treats the symptoms but Alternative medicine treats the cause of the illness" rhetoric, is really an appeal to emotion....they neglect to mention that the vast majority of AltMed has never been demonstrated to alter the course of any specific disease entity, so exactly what are they treating? Many claim poor nutrition is the result of disease and by recti! fying it, resolves the root cause. Now, nutritional advice (which by th! e way is NOT "alternative", I don't know why they keep saying that) is only helpful if your body is deficient. To suggest like onlymatch4u et al, that the root cause of all disease is poor nutrition is a composition fallacy.Secondly, regardless of the limitations conventional medicine has, this still does not demonstrate efficacy of AltMed, which in most cases, ironically does nothing but treat symptoms. Example: Despite the homoeopaths' claims to be holistic, and "treat the underlying cause of disease". They treat symptomatology by checking a vague lists of symptoms (remember they have no real diagnostic testing) and then go on to find a sugar or starch pill in there "cookbook".When these people have some evidence to prove at least one of their core philosophies as being plausible and true, then we'll have a look. Until then, their claims are best ridiculed at every opportunity.===========================================EDIT@ LFOD: Its' not just about clinical trials, it's! the plausibility factor too. -With the exception of herbals, most are scientifically implausible. There is nothing stopping you people from doing your own trial, AltMed is a multi billion dollar a year industry. Are you seriously telling me you people cannot afford to set up your own trials? To use that as a reason why AltMed fails high quality trials is piss poor! In fact many homoeopaths' have conducted their own trials.....and failed OR...they demand to be able to make conclusions about their woo based on their subjective experiences and self-serving experimental methods. This is a special pleading fallacy and science does not give credence to this type of nonsense.==========================================EDIT:LFOD: No. You are making assumptions. I will happily change my position upon presentation of robust, peer received data. To date, you STILL haven't presented any valid evidence! The problem is you don't know how to access the quality of data so you will accept an! y evidence that is put to you, and throw your toys out of your stroller! /pram (UK) when we point out why certain evidence isn't robust.What University Doctors' trial? Give me the link again I never saw it. And by the way, just because a University Doctor conducted a trial does not mean it is correct!==============================================LFOD: That link you provided was a test tube study. If you are trying to suggest that this is enough evidence to support oregano being of medicinal value, you are confusing basic science research with clinical research. Basic science research involves working with test tubes and performing research on animals. It does not involve humans, which is clinical research. This study you have mentioned is certainly a basis for future research, so I am NOT discrediting it as nothing, but basic research alone is a poor predictor of the actual medicinal effects it will have on the human body. You need to bear this in mind.- No clinical claims can be drawn from this sort of study. Human physiology is complex....you! cannot extrapolate data like that...apology accepted.==============================================@ T.B: "... though she contradicts herself and gives examples of why people say it instead of arguing it."No....I haven't contradicted myself at all. I stated in my answer that we do try and treat the cause of disease, in many cases we do, but where we can't , rather than let a person suffer because we cannot find the underlying cause of disease, we manage symptoms to improve QOL. Symptom management isn't the only aim. Also, logical problem with your answer, just because conventional medicine has it's limitations, are you seriously suggesting it's more logical for people to turn to activities that have never been demonstrated to alter the course of any specific disease?You haven't actually answered the question, you've whined about who gets BA (and just when do the alties give us BA!)....in short...you've failed your own argument. Can't help but notice you opened your account! today, to embarrassed to use your other account? Also...you do realise! that most vitamin companies are sub divisions of "big pharma" don't you?EDIT, yes my mistake.....I actually thought you were one of the other alties who commented earlier, his handle was something similar to yours. But your argument is still fail.EDIT:Well said, Dave!EDIT:LFOD: No thats where you've gone wrong; I've clearly in this answer, "With the exception of herbals, most are scientifically implausible" and if you look at numerous other answers of mine, you will see I often say, "with the exception of herbals". Oregano is a herb, it contains active ingrediants, it's plausible, however that does not mean it works. When I said, "When these people have some evidence to prove at least one of their core philosophies as being plausible and true, then we'll have a look" I am referring to nonsensical concepts like reiki, homeopathy and acupuncture, etc....Show more
Shamika Schools: It sounds weird, but I always drink orange juice or chocolate milk. The acid in the orange! juice sort of numbs it. & the chocolate milk is thick and coats it.
Corrinne Ruozzo: yea i reccomend u go back to non-natural deoderant b4 gym class
Roxane Leathers: It really depends on the situation. If you have an infection, taking antibiotics will usually cure it. Medical doctors do however have a tendency to treat the symptoms if they find they do not have a 'text book' answer available to them that explains what is going on. Take M.E and Fibromyalgia - these conditions actually exist as many people in the world are suffering with them but there are many doctors in the UK who deny the conditions actually exist at all. If they were to treat the whole person, they may be able to cure the illness in this kind of situation. As the symptoms of M.E change daily sometimes, I have seen doctors prescribing pills for the symptoms which do not help at all. (My partner has M.E and that is how I know). We have been constantly frustrated by doctors who are rude and con! descending and refuse to provide the support we so desperately need. Al! l they can do is prescribe pills that seem to have contraindications worse than the actual condition itself!...Show more
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